Resolved: That eliminating United States government budget deficits should be prioritized over increasing domestic spending.
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If anyone has any ideas about what to argue on the con side, please share
It’s a good topic, it will be nearly impossible to have all bases covered on this one though.
I bet the con side is the easier side. Look at the Clinton era, heavy domestic spending, good economy.
I like the overall theme of the topic, but its somewhat flawed. It lacks middle ground. Why must we either increase spending or decrease it, what’s wrong with the status quo spending in terms of it being debatable?
I think con will be stronger from right off the bat, but who knows.
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the con side can use the middle ground by saying that we should maintain the status quo.
I have no problem with the idea of debating deficits, but I think the topic is poorly worded.
First off, increasing domestic spending is not a priority…increasing health care spending might be, but the topic seems to buy into the absurd conservative frame that liberals support increasing spending for it’s own sake.
If the pro is able to frame the debate like this, it favors pro.
BUT, the flip side is that con can argue that if increasing domestic spending in any area take priority that negates. It seems like picking one issue (say health care or education) would make an easy win for the neg.
My hope is that both sides will frame things so they can debate the issues and not what it means to affirm. This would essentially pit deficit reduction against overall domestic spending.
The topic is ok, but I agree the wording is a bit difficult. Some research I have read indicate that their is a correlation between public spending on social programs and health of an economy. The generic position will be that we are above, at, or below that level. The world bank does work on this issue.
The United States spends less on some social programs than other countries, but the standards will be interesting to set up.
Keyensian economics will be at play too. I am sure that the wording committee wants us to debate the theory more than the specifics of Bush’s economic plan or for that matter any of the plans by the presidential contenders.
There is a lot of good stuff from John Edwards about the importance of spending and the unimportance of deficits.
Finally, research will have to show the difference between total deficits, comparison to the budget in dollars and percentages, and to the debt.
Ok, I’m new to all this, and my vocab is some-what limitted at this point. Any one want to explain what the topic means?
Would the fact that the deficit is decreasing be a good point for why we don’t need to prioritize over domestic spending.
Hmmmmm, i do believe that the Aff side will be easier. But thats because i’m not to sure on what to say about the Neg side. So if you have any ideas, please reply, i’m just a little confused.
you can compare the long term effects of domestic spending with the short term effects of eliminating the deficit. spending the money will, in the long term, bring about something positive. an example would be an energy efficient refrigerator. it may cost more right off, but in the long run it will save you enough money on your energy bill to make up for the increased price.
all it means is that the U.S. should spend money on it’s people rather than pay of it’s debts to other countries.
ie…
for example, if the U.S. should put more money towards meidcare and social security than say, pay off our debts to china
I really have no idea on what to do for the AFF side. Neg side I think i have covered though. any ideas for AFF?
Just a little help for the Con side about the fact that, budget deficits (debt) in the United States would make a great opportunity for inflation to occur.
Meaning that the AFF’s case can be attacked a little on that point, other then that.. This is a very poorly worded resolution.
CON SIDE:
1. INCREASED DOMESTIC SPENDING IS VITAL
2. HEALTH CARE REQUIRES SIGNIFICANT INCREASE
3. SCHIP REQUIRES SIGNIFICANT INCREASE
4. POVERTY REDUCTION REQUIRES SIGNIFICANT INCREASE
5. HOMELESSNESS REQUIRES SIGNIFICANT INCREASE
6. INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIRES SIGNIFICANT INCREASE
7. OTHER DOMESTIC NEEDS REQUIRE INCREASED FUNDING
8. FEDERAL BUDGET DEFICIT IS DECLINING
9. BUDGET DEFICITS AREN’T ALL BAD
10. BALANCING THE BUDGET IMPAIRS FEDERAL AGENCIES
11. REDUCING WASTEFUL SPENDING IS A FANTASY
12. TAXES CAN BE INCREASED
hi um excuse me but could u explain what the topic means.
im new to this and my vocab is somewhat low
i need help and i have to write my cases by the end of the week
my friend is coming over and we are writing it tomorrow afternoon
please reply =)
That’s the con side
(replying to Amber)
I think a good argument for the con is to point out all of these building disasters. Such as New Orleans bad hurricane wall. Or that one building that didn’t have enough support on its walk ways. (The walk ways collapsed and killed 100 some people) And then point out that bridges built during FDR’s reign still stand. Show how we need to return to a FDR like economy.
I’m just starting too.
Tried googling it, but didn’t come up with much. Whoopee.
i understand it now!!!
now can someone tell me what good pro points would be
please and thank you =)
Have you tried planetdebate.com? they have and eighty page info packet with all articles you can think of.
This is my first year of debate and this subject is kind of confusing and does anyone have any ideas of pro arguments all I could think of is that if its not eleminated its taking away citizens money and collapsing the economy
Hmmmm. Neither the con or the pro have any advantage over the other on this topic. Though Pro does have many more positions, the biggest problem with this resolution is how much room it leaves for abusive arguments. The Pro can argue that by the wording that only a few deficits need to be addressed, such as only Social Security, and Heathcare, leaving the Con with no argument against it. Also, Pro has the advantage of being able to look at domestic spednign and declare it to be wasteful in many cases, along with showing that the budget deficit is dangerous. Good Con argyuments would be that they are not mutually exclusive things.
I would disagree Melossa on her post though, it’s entirely too specific, and draws the debate away from where it should be, which is the deficit AND domestic spending. The NEw Orleans point made by John James is also inherently flawed because he focuses on the political aspect of this. It also does not address the major issues of which one should be increased, it merely states that FDR was a good president.
I Like It… I Need Ideas On Both Sides!!!
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so anyone just wanna write my paper for me
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To all of the Novice: (I am a Novice myself)
Breaking down the resolution would be saying basically:
That paying the U.S’s bills should be done before we spend any more money (shopping, movies, etc…)
I’m an novice and my partner and I did well in debating the soft partition, but deficits are especially tricky to understand and find info on. PLEASE HELP! Please email and help us out.
my email is aryasdragon@yahoo.com
could someone explain what happened in the clintion era. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
my partner and i got first place with soft partition.
hey we have the same name!
don’t forget, could someone explain what happened in the clintion era. PLEASE!
Concerning Clinton, see: http://commondreams.org/views04/1022-26.htm
Could someone please give me ideas for the pro side. i am a first time debater, and if i don’t have this done by tomorrow, i’m gonna get an F. so please, pro side.
What is soft partition? anyway, is anyone in the Washington Area? as in Washington State NOT DC! Who is going to Witman in November? I dont really like this topic…cant wait for december!
okay. i really am not understanding the resolution too clearly by looking at it. but then again, we haven’t gone over it in class yet. so we shall see. but from reading the comments, neg is the easy side? idunno. anyone want to help explain?
gosh. they always seem so simple after explanation. because novemver 06 and october 07 really didnt make sense until i got it explained.
Um, sorry Erin, but this is the Nov. topic…you know, Budget Deficit vs. Domestic Spending. You might want to go to the October board for soft partition
pro side
ummm
lets see
how about that the budget deficit will become so great that the government will go bankrupt and then be prone to invading nations
hows that??? good ok =)
look i tried sorry if it doesnt work out =)
if anyone needs help just email me at m_nieman@yahoo.com =)
ill be happy to answer =)
this is to courtney.
you totally misunderstood the resoloution.
it’s not saying we can’t SPEND money,
it’s saying were not going to INCREASE spending on domestic spending.
i think u miss understood the resolution
it says either we should be concerned with eliminating the budget deficit (pro)
or we should be concerned with increasing domestic spendings (con)
im sorry but that is the debate =)
Hey I’m a novice and have never done public forum before. My partner is only a freshmen so he knows nothing either. Where should I be starting? I’m really lost!
someone mentioned spending more money on medicare, etc…remember, domestic spending doesnt include medicare, and social security…look up the definition of domestic spending
um…
were kinda new at this and not great with wording like this
anyone wana like.. help?? just like, explain what it means basically
oh…
jk.
i understand it now
Anybody have any links to good Pro/Aff evidence? Anything to back up my case??????
Dude… I’m not a PF guy, but economics and marketing is my forte. This competition is in da bag yo.
I’m not too comfortable with this topic. Personally, I think it’s a rather difficult topic to research for information! If you found any useful articles or website, please! share them with me!
Well one of my pro arguments is budget deficits are taking away peoples money and collapsing the economy.. i think its good but i think the con is wayyyy harder and my partner wont do anything. please help.
is anyone else having a difficult time finding evidence. if not, where are you finding it?
nate…is anyone NOT having problems with this?
I debate in my area tomarrow. So, I’m spending my friday researching lasat moment things instead of goig to my schools last home football game…lol. I’m such a nerd.
WHat quotes are youguys using in you’re cases?
Ok, I just got home from the debate in my district for this. It’s great for novice debate. I got a team that contradicted themselves, agread with us, brought up new arguments, didn’t know what a “source” is. (I asked her for her source and she told me ‘the news’) It was so much fun. We destroyed their case on our fiirst constructive. Everything they said was invalid becsue of each statement they said when they explained their contentions.
october-
Hey, anybody got good neg? my sis & i need some web sites b4 we get an F on this topic.
come on, we’re just novices
Okay, so at first I thought it would be easier to debate pro; however, after having our economics teacher come in and answer questions, my thoughts are completely reversed! I recommend you get your team to do the same: having a professional discuss this topic with you is very enlightening stuff!
New Orleans can still be useful for the pro argument because the reason it collasped refers directly to domestic spending. The casualities that followed after relate to taking suggestions and the government’s preparation.
um..Kieska,
isn’t that the neg, for it we don’t focus our money to domestic spending we wono’t be able to oay for the already sad bridges that can collapse without warning, the natural disatsters, ect.
my unfinnished paper; have fun
Resolution – We strongly negate the resolution, which states, that eliminating United States government budget deficits should be prioritized over increasing domestic spending.
Contention 1 – poor infrastructure with so much more presses matter on our hand right at this moment how can we possibly focus on a debt. The problems in our infrastructure are costing, time, money, and lives.
Sub point 1 – The American Society of Civil Engineers has estimated that $1.7 trillion over the course of 5 years is required just to stabilize the condition of core infrastructure. If all the needs are factored in—including new water supplies, a modernized continental rail system, a nuclear power-based electricity supply, and so on, the costs then add up to $8-9 trillion. While The U.S. Department of Transportation says poor roadway conditions are a significant factor in about a third of the 40,000-plus traffic fatalities that occur each year. One in five bridges in 40 states are in the category of “structurally deficient and/or functionally obsolete” as of 2007. Of these, 11 states have more than 30% in this condition. And four states—Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Hawaii, Rhode Island, and the District of Columbia, have more than 40% of their bridges classified as in disrepair.
The highest-ranking state for obsolete bridges is Pennsylvania, where 25,000 state-owned bridges, 6,250 need repair or replacement. In contrast, Minnesota, where the Mississippi River Bridge collapsed Aug. 1, ranks as “good” category, with only 12.2% (1,586) of its bridges considered in need of repair or replacement. This according to the Bureau of Transportation and the American society of civil engineers
There are 82,642 dams according to the National Dam Inventory; they are an average age of 49 years old, the majority over 60 years old. 30% of dams are classified as hazardous of those, 11,881 are a high hazard while 13,549 are a significant hazard. The “Report Card” of the American Society of Civil Engineers gives dam safety overall a “D,” partially because of the lack of funding available to deal with these unsafe structures. In 2002, and estimate of $10 billion was given by the Association of Dam Safety Officials to repair our dams.30% fail because of foundation defects. In March 2006, seven people were killed when a dam failed on Kauai, Hawaii, unleashing nearly 300 million gallons of water that swept away homes.
Sub point 2 – The American society of civil engineers also gives our nation’s roads, water systems, schools, dams and power grids a grade of “D,” while bridges get a “C.” The reason for these troubles is that we’ve under invested in our infrastructure.[1monring star inc. Fund data provided by Morning star, Inc.] ASCE estimates that Americans spend more than 3.5 billion hours a year stuck in traffic, at a cost of $67.5 billion annually in lost productivity and wasted fuel. Between 1990 and 2005 the country’s population grew by 19%, and highway traffic increased 39%. But new road mileage went up only 4%, according to TRIP, a transportation research group in Washington, D.C. There’s a similar problem in the rail system, where chokepoints and delays are now much more common. It will only get worse, since freight rail tonnage will increase at least 50% by 2020, says ASCE 592,473 road bridges in the United States of which 26%, or 155,144 are deemed “structurally deficient and/or functionally obsolete,” according to the latest Bureau of Transportation statistical data. James Oberstar chairman of the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee of the House, reports that up to 30% of the nation’s bridges that receive Federal funds have been deemed structurally deficient to some degree.
Sub point 3 - The U.S. Department of Transportation estimates that there is a $461 billion backlog of needed road, highway, and bridge repair and improvements. The American Society of Civil Engineers, and according to the American Association of State Highway and Transportation, motorists spend at least $54 billion a year in repairs and operating costs because of poor road conditions. But because of our crappy infrastructure: motorist also spends another $275 a year in extra repair and operating costs because of the lousy infrastructure, estimates ASCE. That can run as high as $700 a year in areas like Los Angeles and San Francisco, where the roads are particularly bad and crowded. Railroads are in disrepair as well in 2006, of 2,903 rail wrecks, 1,043 were caused by track defects.
Contention 2 –The American people need the services provided by domestic spending
Sub point 1 – 1 in 2 Americans now receives income from government programs. Slightly over half of all Americans – 52.6 percent – now receive significant income from government programs, according to an analysis by Gary Shilling, an economist in Springfield, N.J. That’s up from 49.4 percent in 2000 the percentage could rise within ten years to pass 55 percent, The aging baby-boomer generation is poised to receive big payments from Social Security and government healthcare programs. 1 in 5 Americans hold a government job or a job reliant on federal spending. A similar number receive Social Security or a government pension. About 19 million others get food stamps, 2 million get subsidized housing, and 5 million get education grants. Government has always created jobs, of course, as it provides everything from national defense to roads and schools. It is another type of spending, however, that is really growing in scale: Government is in the insurance business.
Healthcare and Social Security are the big programs poised for growth, thanks to the arc of the baby-boom generation,(Those retirement programs will not see their enrollment explode until 79 million baby boomers start to become eligible for Social Security in 2008 and Medicare in 2011. ) longer lifespan, and rising medical costs. Insurance-style programs also include farm subsidies and efforts to relieve poverty. 44 percent of Americans say the Bush tax cuts should be made permanent Spending on these social programs was $1.3 trillion in 2005, up an inflation-adjusted 22% since 2000 and accounting for more than half of federal spending.
Programs that grew over the past five years are aimed at the under-65 population, especially families earning less than $40,000 a year. For example, the number of mostly low-income college students receiving Pell grants rose 41% over five years to 5.3 million. The growth in the number of people in many programs is due to a rise in the poverty rate from 11.3% in 2000 to 12.7% in 2004, the most recent year available. “It’s certainly better that people falling into poverty can get Medicaid, but I’d prefer fewer poor people and employers not dropping medical coverage,” he says.
Food stamp enrollment climbed from 17.2 million in 2000 to 25.7 million in 2005.
“It pays to invest in early education programs,” says Fran Smith, who works for an education-oriented community organization in Boston. To afford it, she says, government needs to use money more wisely; more for public goods and less for what she says are the “profit motives” that now pervade Washington.
Sub point 2 – A survey completed in 2006 by the American Federation of Teachers (AFT) concluded that that tens of thousands of public schools urgently need repairs, renovation, modernization, or new construction because of health problems and overcrowding. Nearly 20 years ago, the AFT called for a Marshall Plan to upgrade public schools, because as Federal funds were dwindling, schools were deteriorating. This didn’t happen.A Government Accountability Office report in 1995, 25,000 public schools needed extensive repair and replacement. bring existing buildings into conformity with the minimum building standards would cost $112 billion. The same report found that the air was unfit to breathe in nearly 15,000 public schools. In 2004, 8.5% of schools had exceeded their physical space capacities, according to a report from the National Center for Education Statistics of the Department of Education. In its 35th Annual “Maintenance and Operations Cost Study,” American School and University found that in 2006 the average school district spent 7% of its total expenditures on maintenance and operations, well below the 9% spent ten years earlier. In 2005, the American Society of Civil Engineers gave a “D” grade to American schools on its “infrastructure report card.” in 2000 the national education association reported that $268 billion was the necessary to bring schools up to minimal infrastructure standards.
Sub points 3 – since 1980, Hundreds of hospitals have been downgraded to a “critical access” operation, where they receive patients and transfer them elsewhere for treatment.
From 2001 to 2004, the number of mammography facilities nationwide decreased 6%, from 9,306 to 8,786. Forty states lost facilities during this period, and as of October 2004, 865 counties—one fourth of the counties in the country, containing 3.4% of the U.S population-had no mammogram machines used to diagnose breast cancer. In 2006, the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences released a three-volume report concluded that the United States emergency and trauma care system is “at the breaking point.” A 2003 report by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that emergency rooms in hospitals diverted more than 1,300 patients a day, 365 days per year. The number of emergency departments in operation nationally decreased by 38% between 1995 and 2005. At the same time, the use of emergency rooms over this period increased by 20%. The American College of Emergency Room Physicians warns that there is next to no capacity to deal with surge demands of bioterrorism, or natural threats, like the next influenza pandemic. The Veterans Health Administration is the largest direct provider of medical care in the nation, it is now receiving a growing number of wounded soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan; there are also thousands of other veterans flocking to the VA because private insurance options have been withdrawn or have become unaffordable. As of March 2007, there was a backlog of 600,000 disability claims that had not yet been processed. Of 160 VA hospital sites, 19 were targeted for shutdown. The number of VA hospitals and specialty centers should be increased, not decreased, and the whole system must be upgraded. In July 2004, then VA Secretary Antony Principi testified to a House Committee hearing that approximately $1 billon a year for the next five years was needed to modernize the VA medical infrastructure.
The Veterans Coalition “Independent Budget” estimate for 2008 calls for $1.602 billion for major construction projects, $541 million for minor construction projects and another $1.6 billion for nonrecurring maintenance, like upgrades of electrical systems, roof repairs all of which is currently unavailable.
Contention 3 – The American people are already taking initiative to create change.
Sub point 1 – California, which often leads the country in trends, is spending more. Last
November, voters there approved an initiative calling for more infrastructure investment, and the state recently approved $20 billion in transportation bonds. Shortly after the Minnesota bridge collapse, presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said she’d like to see a $10 billion emergency infrastructure plan to repair bridges.
Sub point 2 - obviously this is something the public is worried, with a better infrastructure we will be able to decrease unnecessary spending and put a roof and even begin to reverse on our national debt. Do it now or owe later, owe now and try to get out of debt, when someone is in credit card debt, what should they do? Stop paying their bills and focus on the debt? Obviously the wise course of action would be to pay their bills on time and keep up, instead of playing catch up, thus saving money to pay for their debt.
Sub point 3 - wake up to the need to spend more on the infrastructure, that will boost profits and earnings at companies with a lot of direct exposure to this kind of work.
Conclusion – in conclusion, we strongly negate the resolution because:
Contention 1 –Our infrastructure is crumbling
Contention 2 –The American people depend on domestic spending
Contention 3 – We need to keep up instead of catching up
Clinton heavy domestic spending good economy
Help it’s people rather than pay of debts to other countries
Your case was good. You had plenty of sub points and your contentions were solid. However a lot of your wording didn’t make any sense. Also, can you read this whole case in 4 min.?
my name is john james
not jouhn james
Just a piece of advice though…don’t post your cases online…my teacher would kill anyone in her class if she found out one of us did that. You’ve just given tons of people more arguments and more ways to prepare. I’m not sure, even if they weren’t in the same district as me that I’d want to do that…
THANKYOU for a great starting point- still a little confused about the rez (i’m a novice)
can someone help me write an introduction for a con speech? im completely lost
that case was good
and its good to have it long so you can choose what to read and add later on
but don’t add a new point after the third rebuttal
then the other team will attack you saying that you had not said it earlier and adding it then would just complicate things more =)
Not really if your pro you can just say whats wrong with keeping the domestic spending where it is right now
To Zack, Regean left us in the biggest recession since the great depression and during the Clinton Era, Clinton was a ble to tax the rich and was able to eliminate the recession and put us in a surplus but Bush went through that Surplus his first year in office
Indira- your case is really good but very confusing, it wouldn’t do to bring alot of confusing facts into your round because no matter how good your case is, the judge is going to choose who ever makes the most sense and some of your points don’t make any sense
ok im a novice
and i am in need of some pro arguments.
my first debate is next weekend and we havent written either of our cases.
so we need some help t form a pro case :]
much love,
rachel :DD
HELP!!!! This resolution is sooo confusing.
This is my first year debating
Does any one know where to get any good evidence?
i think that this topic is retarded.
when you owe your mom fifty dollars but dont want to go shopping but owe $25 or more, is it smart to go more into debt? or pay off your existing debt?
i think you should just go shopping and not worry about the debt.
george bush is smart…he knows.
well me and my partner have finished our neg
but it seems that the aff is a lot harder to
find info on
so if anyone could help us out
we are competting for a toc bid
and the whitmen inventionl so we
could really use some help i mean
i understand the budget deficits
have been going down so the aff cant really
win by proitzing it over domestic spending
so can anyone help
kayala…Whitman where? My disrict has a Whitman also, and although, I know there’s a lot of Whitmans around I’m just a bit curious.
Aff is more taking common knowledge and turning it into a caase. It’s more common sense. I’d give you ideas, but my teacher would KILL me if she found out and trust me, she is SCARY when she is mad.
I think the Pro is fairly simple…MY first contention is that if the United States does not pay off their debts the US dollar will decrease further in value causing an economic crash. My second contention is that the US does not need to increase spending because we just need to become more organized in how we spend it. For instance the UNited States has been paying millions of dollars trying to find a bird that became extinct 20 years ago. d
I dont have a third yet though…still thinking
i just had my tournament on friday
and we were con the entire time
we lost the entire tournament
i really don’t know why but i thought we, my partner and i, did good and that we only lost one round so it kinda sucks
=(
but i cant tell you guys one thing and that is put a lot of statistics into your debate so the other team doesn’t find any loop holes =P
This is the most confusing topic I have ever seen…but then again, this is only my first year in debate. :] I’m trying to talk my partner out of going to this tournament just so that I don’t have to write a case for it…
To Eric- The Clinton era may have had heavy domestic spending, but in general, the Clintons made a bad name for themselves. No one is gonna trust them the same way again. You can’t seriously think of using that in debate. If you wanna win, which if you face my team you won’t, don’t encourage that.
I havent done a lot of research on this yet but what will happen if we don’t pay back our debt to other countries. Wouldnt it be good to focus on the consequences of that and how it will affect Americans more than not increasing domestic spending would? (just a rough idea… I cant believe Im debating this in less than a week and havent started researching.. procrastination is beautiful.. eh?)
Josh.. btw.. I really like your contentions…
Not gonna lie..
My partner and I debated this on Friday
It was pretty ugly
We ended up 2:2 and we debated aff once and neg 3 times.
Everyone seems to all have the same contentions though. Once you debate it once or twice you pretty much know what is going to be brought up in all the other rounds.
I’m working on strengthening the cases for next week. Hopefully I can find something sort of original to bring up…
Im debating this with my partner in 5 days we already have our neg done and its pretty strong but we are having a little trouble coming up with aff things. There is not that many strong points for aff but im not doubting there are some good one out there just need a little help. Thanks
Does anyone know how to get the Con side of this topic for a ground basis?? I’m sort of at a loss on the con….pro would help to or what to look for.
loves, Cassi
Indira, I would take some of the facts you ahve and use it later in your rebuttal because you are allowed to bring up new evidence but not new arguments.
the main reasons for the pro side seem to be about moral, like it wouldn’t be morally correct to not pay off the debts, and the con side (to me at least) seems to be about needing money for other problems. then again, it’s my first year in debate, so I don’t know that much about it yet.
the con side has the advantage because all con has to do is prove one instance where domestic spending will be needed of a prioritized deficit. one instance such as an emergency such as Katrina. also history proves when debt had risen quicker there was less unemployment more manufacturing and a higher gdp
just choosing an issue like health care, education, security, war, etc would probably make an easy win for the con side because one could argue that war for example is much more important than eliminating the budget deficit, or health care needs the money and the government shouldn’t take it away.
whats a good arguement for the pro side ?? we need help :)
hey im in Debate and this is my topic. and i dont understand. if you can in any way would you plz? i had someone helping me but he left for Iraq lastnight..and now im lost.
thank you -whitney
Hey, I got to debate this this past weekend and one team tried to bring up the aids in africa i said that it was invalid a. becasue it was a new argument (although on the ballot the judge said that he disaagreed with that…8() and b. because it didn’t pertain to the argument considering we were tawlking of DOMESTIC SPENDING, which aids in Africa is not considered part of this. One of the members on my team though said, that if they had done this correctly, it would actually work. WOuld someone explain how that works? I don’t get it donsidering, it’s not DOMESTIC SPENDING.
just so you all know this the federal governement cannot go into bankrupcy you need to know you economics
so, um, yua, the aids in africa? how does that correlate? I know it’s policy, but hwo does it correlate to P/F topic?
Thnx Bob the sponge with sqare pants for sharing some of the arguements that you encountered while debating this topic.
Could anyone else who has debated this share their main points and the arguements that were runned against them in competition.
I think evryone could benefit from this alot.
I think both are fairly arduous; though i have to say that negating will be more affiliating than affirming it because of the wording of the resolution
I am having trouble with the Con side so please help me out with some links, thank you.
um..Peacock, anyone who would use aids in africa must be high considering how easily it is to take that down, I’m saying that it was meentiioned you can twist it around, anyone know how?
I have my three contentions and my conclusion, but what would be a good introduction paragraph for this topic on the affirmative side? Ideas please?
Indira where did you get ur stats?
a good idea for the pro against bill clinton arguments is that when reagan got us into $4 trillion in debt because of domestic spending(good argument for pro)Bush SR. got us out of it. Clinton just inherted a prospering economy and all he did was rlieve $12 billion
hey Katelyn this is evan w. so on this topic a good point for the con is that if we quit spending money into the u.s. we are nt creating jobs for the growing pop. of America. And also with fewer people working fewer people are paynig taxes therefore we don’t have as much tax dollars therfore we have to raise the taxes for the average citizen payng taxes.
There is no possible way to effectively argue that aids in Africa correlates to this resolution.
The counter to this argument is simple:
The resolution doesn’t refer to or mention in any way “international aid.” It refers to deficit spending and domestic spending.
is ANYONE going to answer the aids question?
Hey. Can anyone explain what an account deficit means in regards to economy & budget deficits. Also does anyone have any sources for china buying most of our government bonds & why they would not increase the interest rate? (i know why i just need sources)
AIM: Chemicalxxbabee
oh and also I’m wrting con. so any other useful things would be much appreciated :]
If any team consistantly brings up the same point over and over again, and you can’t successfully rebut it, just say,”We drop that point.” If they still bring it up the judge should not count it further.
If that team had some how made the point of AIDS in Africa work, then by not dropping that point, your opponents kept getting “points” every single time they mentioned/ brought it up.
Hope that helped ^_^
thanks anontmous,that helps, but how cuold you sucessfully make that work? the team I went up against certainly didn;t, but I was discussing it with someone else and they siad if you twisted it right you could with this topic I just don’t get how you could twist itt.
Here you might have faced judge bias. Usually in PFD this is given that much (compared to LD :D)
That could be the problem, or they some how cleverly used AIDS to relate in domestic spending (though i doubt it :D)
Idk know for sure unless you gave me a video of the debate :]
Oh, well you could use AIDS to say that the U.S. needs to focus more on itself rather than foreign countries.
You use AIDS in Africa to point out that many countries and places are also in debt to the U.S.
^^ Either way both of those could be put down :]
Again, hope that helped
What does the con side of the debate mean, I just need some help to try to find 3 points before my debate friday the 9th.
If you can help please do.
the defecit is decreasing? are you kidding? try going to google, type in national debt clock, and hit the refresh button. within less than 20 seconds the debt will increase by at least a hundred thousand or more.
Thanks yet again Anonymnous….that helped a lot.
Ok, so quick survey like question…how many of you actaully use this site to help totally with your cases and rely on it? I’m pretty sure if it wasn’t for my coach that I might rely on it, but if I did and she found out, I’d be dead.
what is a soft partition? I’m a novice too and I’ve never done public forum before
I was wondering if there was any validity in the claim that running a deficit is actually beneficial for the economy as a whole. I have hear people say this before, but I have never seen evidence that says that running a deficit is better than not having one.
Most nations run a deficit.
There are good deficits and bad deficits. It depends on how you are spending the money. There is strong evidence to suggest that public investment, even if deficit-financed, is a net benefit.
uh ya this topic is hard. but i can help. if you are pro just look at the topic because it basically just restates what you belive in if you are pro, opposite with con. ;o)
this topic is confusing but i can handle this. get redy to debate!!!!!!!!!!!!
UM YEAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!, no this topic is pretty gay, i mean i did debate last year in LD and that topic was so much easier,i mean common i am a second year debator and i dont even really understand this topic it sucks so bad
Strange, becasue I loved this topic, much better than last monthes. I’ve been talking aobut it ever since it came out. All of my freinds are annoyed with me becasue I tlak about it so much now…lol.
lol our school doesnt have coaches. We kick arse on our own
Going to the tourney for this resolution tommorow in Tampa
wish me luck!
sorry, but I don’t wish other teams luck…lol only my own…I’m too competitive…lol :))
good luck anonymous… and ya ok this is my first debate topic brought up by my techer and i get it pretty strongly…. just wonderin if there is anyway that you can put down the having other countries pay debt by sayin that if we do that then we could lose their products in effect hurting our economy?? jw if that would be a strong way to do it cuz ive heard quite a bit of it brought up…. also is the point of a weak infrastructur worth bringing up or even into this debate it just seems out of place and more spending idk for sure lol
that is silly, because national disasters are in a different budget alltogether. its not domestic spending
Susan — - they may not be considered domestic spening or are in that budget per se, but they do benefit the people, no?
god this topic is so thick and not dynamic. that being said im just looking for any sort of basic break down of the points that keep resurfacing for pro and con from people who have written cases or debated thus far. word.
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